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Question about Specimen number,labId

Hi Dave;
As I'm working on Laboratory orders and results management , I would like  you make  me understand how you dealt with  sample object you 've worked on in SampleLabEntry module.
In sampleLabentry ,when you click on add oders I found where you were adding date of sample meaning that you are somehow managing the sample object.I would like you help me on sample management in Laboratory.
  • When the physician orders lab exams(Ex:Hemoglobin,Hematocrit,albumin) for a specific patient,the patient leaves for Laboartory to deliver samples of the ordered Lab exams.The lab technician receives blood , urine as samples and are those samples that need to be labeled with sampleId(specimen number) and  not Hemoglobin,hematocrit or albumin that have to be tested from those given samples.As it stands now,I would ask you how you are managing the samples when the patient is delivering them in Lab.Even in SimplelabEntry I found  you were  dealing with LabId, date of sample....are those fields saved in Order table?On the basis of the example mentioned above,blood and urine are labeled  with one labId.If yes where is this labId saved?Is there any difference between sampleid and labid?

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Re: Question about Specimen number,labId

Hi.  Someone can correct me on this, but labId in simplelabentry corresponds to an id that the lab may or may not generate that represents a test itself, like the ID that goes into the lab register.  This is different than the sampleId, which is a specimen tracking number, which becomes more important of the sample either travels, or is put into storage.   LabId is mapped to accession_number on the Order.

Also, multiple tests run against a single blood sample, and multiple tests that you run against a urine sample shouldn't be in the same lab panel, because they're different things.  You should have your lab concepts in your dictionary built with ConceptSets representing the panels.  This way, you can get a single order representing the lab panel, and then when the tests are preformed, the order gets mapped to as many obs as are required to answer all of the tests in the panel (or the Concepts in the lab panel ConceptSet).

Does this answer your question?

d

On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 1:46 AM, Maniragena faustin <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Dave;
As I'm working on Laboratory orders and results management , I would like  you make  me understand how you dealt with  sample object you 've worked on in SampleLabEntry module.
In sampleLabentry ,when you click on add oders I found where you were adding date of sample meaning that you are somehow managing the sample object.I would like you help me on sample management in Laboratory.
  • When the physician orders lab exams(Ex:Hemoglobin,Hematocrit,albumin) for a specific patient,the patient leaves for Laboartory to deliver samples of the ordered Lab exams.The lab technician receives blood , urine as samples and are those samples that need to be labeled with sampleId(specimen number) and  not Hemoglobin,hematocrit or albumin that have to be tested from those given samples.As it stands now,I would ask you how you are managing the samples when the patient is delivering them in Lab.Even in SimplelabEntry I found  you were  dealing with LabId, date of sample....are those fields saved in Order table?On the basis of the example mentioned above,blood and urine are labeled  with one labId.If yes where is this labId saved?Is there any difference between sampleid and labid?

Thanks


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Phone:0788670135



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Re: Question about Specimen number,labId

Hi Dave;
Thanks for your quick reply.The explanation u are giving does answer some of my questions but  u didn't answer the  following questions relevant to Samples collected by Lab technician.
  • If a patient delivers a blood  from  it varous tests(rbc,hgb,Hematocrit...) are examined  and stool from where parasites are found.Then,in sampleLabEntry  are u considering blood and stool as samples?If yes, are theirs sampleIds saved in Order table as Accession number values?
  • If the SampleIds are not assigned to the above samples(Stool and Blood),I would like u explain me if are sampleId  assigned to the tests(Hematocrit,hbg,rbc..) to be examined from the released samples by patient? 
  • In SimpleLabEntry, is the sample date defined as ordering date?If not where this sample date is taken from??

Thanks



On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 9:37 PM, Dave Thomas <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi.  Someone can correct me on this, but labId in simplelabentry corresponds to an id that the lab may or may not generate that represents a test itself, like the ID that goes into the lab register.  This is different than the sampleId, which is a specimen tracking number, which becomes more important of the sample either travels, or is put into storage.   LabId is mapped to accession_number on the Order.

Also, multiple tests run against a single blood sample, and multiple tests that you run against a urine sample shouldn't be in the same lab panel, because they're different things.  You should have your lab concepts in your dictionary built with ConceptSets representing the panels.  This way, you can get a single order representing the lab panel, and then when the tests are preformed, the order gets mapped to as many obs as are required to answer all of the tests in the panel (or the Concepts in the lab panel ConceptSet).

Does this answer your question?

d

On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 1:46 AM, Maniragena faustin <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Dave;
As I'm working on Laboratory orders and results management , I would like  you make  me understand how you dealt with  sample object you 've worked on in SampleLabEntry module.
In sampleLabentry ,when you click on add oders I found where you were adding date of sample meaning that you are somehow managing the sample object.I would like you help me on sample management in Laboratory.
  • When the physician orders lab exams(Ex:Hemoglobin,Hematocrit,albumin) for a specific patient,the patient leaves for Laboartory to deliver samples of the ordered Lab exams.The lab technician receives blood , urine as samples and are those samples that need to be labeled with sampleId(specimen number) and  not Hemoglobin,hematocrit or albumin that have to be tested from those given samples.As it stands now,I would ask you how you are managing the samples when the patient is delivering them in Lab.Even in SimplelabEntry I found  you were  dealing with LabId, date of sample....are those fields saved in Order table?On the basis of the example mentioned above,blood and urine are labeled  with one labId.If yes where is this labId saved?Is there any difference between sampleid and labid?

Thanks


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MANIRAGENA Faustin
MOH/EMR DEVELOPER
Phone:0788670135



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MOH/EMR DEVELOPER
Phone:0788670135



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